February 11, 2009

Change Hypocrisy you can believe in

It just keeps getting better, folks. First Obama continues the practice of rendition. Then Leon Panetta says the US just might use harsh interrogation techniques against captured terror suspects if circumstances require.

Now -- wait for it -- Obama's nominee for Solicitor General says ... we can hold terror suspects indefinitely!!

Harvard Law Dean Elena Kagan, President Obama's choice to represent his administration before the Supreme Court, told a key Republican senator Tuesday that she believed the government could hold suspected terrorists without trial as war prisoners.

She echoed comments by Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. during his confirmation hearing last month. Both agreed that the United States was at war with Al Qaeda and suggested the law of war allows the government to capture and hold alleged terrorists without charges.

B-b-b-b-but ... I thought George W. Bush was evil incarnate because ... he thought -- and argued -- precisely the same thing!!!

Dead. Silence. Indeed, the former is giving The Messiah kudos for his [supposed] accountability. "Wow. Just wow," they say. As if the people couldn't have chosen a different president in 2004 if they didn't approve of how he was handling things?? LOL!

I can say this to such stark, utter stupidity: "Wow. Just wow."

(h/t: Dissenting Justice.)

Posted by Hube at February 11, 2009 10:41 PM | TrackBack

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"...and he[Obama] has created a task force of lawyers and military officers to decide how to handle current and future detainees."

It may be that Holder and Kagan are expressing personal opinions that are at odds with Obama, since it looks like the Obama task force has this policy under review.

I will say that if Obama turns out to adopt the Bush policy of ignoring habeas corpus and holding detainees indefinitely, I will be highly disappointed.

I have the same view about renditions.

Let us see what the ultimate policy decision is. I think it is premature to conclude that the policy has already been set.

At the very least, if the Bush policy is to be followed, I would expect Obama to address the matter with us, rather than to secretly practice these illegal procedures.

I am also now curious whether Obama will overturn the Bush policy about not recognizing the International Court System.

Posted by: Perry at February 11, 2009 11:00 PM

"It may be that Holder and Kagan are expressing personal opinions that are at odds with Obama..."

Uh-huh. And the Pope is Jewish. Either that, or Obama really is incredibly stupid and/or has failed to vet properly YET EVEN MORE important people for posts so vital.

And George Bush is stupid? Bush is naive? Etc.??

Posted by: Hube at February 11, 2009 11:05 PM

My comment was based on the wording from the reference you provided and I quoted, Hube. I understand that you would prefer to think the worst of Obama, as this has been exhibited on your blog from the primary campaign up to this very moment, consistently.

Posted by: Perry at February 11, 2009 11:15 PM

Just as you prefer to think the BEST of Obama, and the WORST of George Bush. So?

Posted by: Hube at February 11, 2009 11:17 PM

The outcome of George Bush's policies are well known and not highly regarded even by Repubs.

With regard to Obama, it is much too early to tell, though I already have some concerns, like continuing Bush's renditions and holding detainees indefinitely without charges and proper adjudication, if these turn out to actually be his policies!

Otherwise, I think he is pretty much on track, so far.

Posted by: Perry at February 12, 2009 09:12 AM

"Not highly regarded ...?" And you base that comment on what -- your own testing of the political winds?

He's not highly regarded by SOME Republicans. I thought you dealt with FACTS, Perry. This last poll of Bush's approval shows 68% of Republicans approve of his job. That's an average of very conservative GOPers and moderate GOPers, the former liking Bush more.

So, again -- on what did you base your statement, "Mr. Facts?" LOL!

I don't know which is more sad -- your hypocrisy or your naivete about Obama ("... if these actually turn out to be his policies..."!!). Indeed. If he really was so determined to overturn them, why is he appointing the people that he is?

Posted by: Hube at February 12, 2009 12:24 PM

I consider 38% to be "some Repubs", don't you.

Re Obama, I think it is reasonable to expect that it will take longer than 3 weeks for him to consolidate his Presidency in terms of getting his team on track with his policies. This is why the opposition party usually grants a reasonable honeymoon policy -- but not this time!

Posted by: Perry at February 12, 2009 06:10 PM

Perry's original statement: "The outcome of George Bush's policies are well known and not highly regarded even by Repubs."

Where's the "some," Perry? You did not qualify your statement. I had to do it for you.

And if 68% of Repubs approve of Bush, that makes, um, 32% that don't. Not 38%. Nice math.

Posted by: Hube at February 12, 2009 07:02 PM

32%, that's correct. My point remains valid. Thanks for quantifying my statement, Hube.

Posted by: Perry at February 13, 2009 12:15 AM

Based upon your "logic", Perry, Barack Obama is a failure because SOME Democrats don't approve of him and/or his policies.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at February 13, 2009 01:27 AM

Oh, Perry, let's not forget that Barry Hussein's approval rate is dipping -- and the Gallup poll shows a 25% disapproval rate after only 3 weeks. The honeymoon is over -- and at the rate his numbers are dropping, Obama can be officially declared a failure sometime around March 1.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at February 13, 2009 03:27 AM

Rhymes, you are correct as I was sloppy in the way I stated it. Re Obama's performance, give the man a chance. Three weeks with the mess Bush & Co. left with him is hardly sufficient to judge his performance. Americans are really hurting in increasing numbers due to our tanking economy. Most recognize that Obama is doing his best to bring relief and turn the economy around. It will take time, maybe 1-2 years, before we will really know, it's that bad.

Posted by: Perry at February 13, 2009 08:54 AM

Let's see -- I've given him three weeks longer than liberals gave George W. Bush. I therefore feel I've been more than fair.

Indeed, I wonder if it has become time to begin referring to him as "Shimpy al-Hussein".

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at February 13, 2009 06:36 PM

Excuse me -- make that "Chimpy al-Hussein".

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at February 13, 2009 06:36 PM