May 31, 2007

Matt Donegan redux?

Anyone in Delaware remember this flap? Looks like a similar incident has happened in Michigan.

Posted by Hube at May 31, 2007 07:44 PM | TrackBack

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Sorry, friend, but i think that comments about bombing your employer go a bit too far.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at May 31, 2007 09:11 PM

OK...that joke was hilarious.

Posted by: Mike Matthews at May 31, 2007 10:09 PM

RWR: I really think that it's more than clear it was just a joke. I don't see how anyone could take that seriously.

Posted by: Hube at June 1, 2007 02:20 PM

Make the same joke about your school and see what happens, Hube. Or have a teacher from your darling daughter's school make it. I think you see the problem.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at June 1, 2007 09:24 PM

That's the problem with "zero tolerance" policies though, RWR. I understand your concerns, surely, but if a guy is talking about the intelligence of a certain population, and added "if a bomb went off" that the collective IQ would be immediately raised, to me there is NO implied threat or danger.

(BTW, my school and my daughter's is currently one and the same.) ;-)

Posted by: Hube at June 2, 2007 07:24 AM

But Hube, even setting aside the issue of ZT on threats of violence, I'd have to argue that publicly insulting your employer's client base is a reasonable grounds for dismissal. Again, think about making that comment about your school -- how long would your district (or the parents of your students) keep you around in light of such a statement? How long would you deserve to be kept around?

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at June 2, 2007 04:38 PM

I wasn't taking sides w/the ability to fire him. When it comes down to it, the co. indeed has the right.

If I made that comment about my school (and I think this applies to you, too) I doubt I would -- or could, for a first offense -- get fired. If I explained what I had meant, I'd wager I'd get a reprimand at most. I mean, kids who make actual threats get suspended for a few days to a week, and I would get canned for an obvious joke? That, and public employees are better protected than private sector workers.

Posted by: Hube at June 2, 2007 04:51 PM

Actually, with no tenure here in Texas I might well get something much more severe.

We had one teacher in our district involuntarily transferred from the school where she had taught for 20 years after public comments she made about illegal immigrant criminals and the refusal of the Mexican government to extradite them -- on America's Most Wanted during a segment on the drive-by murder of her daughter by a couple of gang-bangers who fled back to Mexico where the government refused to even arrest them because they could get the death penalty for this cold-blooded random murder.

Why was she transferred? Because a small group of parents at her 90% Hispanic school (many of them illegal aliens and some of them family members of the murderers) objected to her "racist" comments about Mexicans -- ignoring the fact that the statements were factual. Sensitivity to border-jumping immigration criminals apparently trumped sensitivity to family members of murder victims in the eyes of some folks.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at June 3, 2007 09:02 AM

No tenure in TX?? Wow, I had no idea. That story you relate is ridiculous (ridiculous that the teacher was transferred against her will). If 90% of parents were irate, I might have requested it myself due to the "uncomfortableness" factor, but here in DE there are specific procedures for transferring employees (agreed upon via union and districts), and I really doubt something like what you relate would be allowed.

Posted by: Hube at June 3, 2007 09:11 AM