I actually watched this week's "Battlestar Galactica" on Friday night! No VCR magic!
"Torn" essentially is two separate entities: On the Galactica Tigh and Starbuck and busy sowing dissent and discord among the Viper pilots. They believe they suffered inordinately, and basically no one else should complain about their difficulties -- especially those who were onboard the Galactica and/or Pegasus during the occupation. (Hey Tigh -- what's the deal with that craggy looking gauze bandage? Your eye is gone, dude -- get a pirate patch or something, will'ya?) Admiral Adama gets royally pissed off at this, and confronts the two in the mess hall. You know he's pissed when he kicks over Starbuck's chair, knocking her for a royal loop! He asks for Starbuck's sidearm, takes it, informs them that there is one round in it, and tells them to either "straighten up," or "shoot him (Adama) now." Starbuck walks out, while Tigh actually picks up the gun -- but he empties the chamber, puts the gun back down, and leaves -- saying he'll "not be back" -- and proceeds to drink himself silly.
Elsewhere, Baltar is "enjoying" the company of his Cylon "hosts" on a base-ship. The humanoid Cylons inform him that they are searching for Earth too -- they want it to be their new home! The Cylons know Baltar did extensive research into Earth's location, and they want that knowledge. Part of Baltar's diggings revealed a double pulsar system in a nebula, and so the Cylons dispatch a base-ship to investigate. But soon they receive a distress call -- something is killing the Cylons, some "infection." Baltar offers to investigate as he's potentially immune, and the Cylons agree. Upon searching the "infected" base-ship, Baltar discovers a piece of human machinery that might be the source of the "infection." He decides to withhold this info from the Cylons for the time being, however.
Also, it is revealed that the Cylons have a "hybrid" Cylon that essentially acts like a humanoid super-computer. Is this an homage to the "Galactica 1980's" Dr. Zee character? Nevertheless, the hybrid looks like one of the "pre-cogs" from "Minority Report" -- definitely a female who's sitting in a vat of viscous liquid with all sorts of wires running in and out of her.
But the BIGGIE: Baltar realizes that humanity may now have the means to rid themselves of the Cylon threat -- forever! We see in the scenes for next week's episode that the Galactica learns of this potential Cylon-destroying infection, and then debates what to do. Here's where I started shaking my head. One of the scenes showed Helo stating "If we do this, we'll be no better than they are."
Excuse me, but HUH?????
Once again, as Bruce Dickinson (at left) would say, "That's ... that's not workin' for me." Let's follow this:
Again, HUH???? Would humanity rather become extinct than "sink to the Cylons' level"? Apparently some humans in the fleet believe just that. Helo probably does because he and humanoid Cylon Sharon had a child together. Bully for them.
Here we have another possible connection to the "war on terror": Do we "stoop to the terrorists' level" by utilizing torture ourselves (or whatever is close enough to it) and restricting certain civil liberties? That's about ALL this line of the thinking should make you do -- just think about it. Because ultimately, there is no comparison to be made. To me, I just cannot fathom why the human survivors would not jump at any chance to wipe out their Cylon killers. A more apt comparison would be World War II where the Axis powers were set on world domination, and engaged in genocide in part to achieve it. Yet, there is still debate on the morality of the atomic bombings, and the firebombing of Dresden, Germany.
In Star Trek: The Next Generation, Captain Picard made a similar -- unpopular with the Federation higher-ups -- choice when he refused to introduce a computer program that could have destroyed the Federation's greatest threat (at that time), the Borg. In a later episode, Picard was given a royal chewing out by a Starfleet admiral for not taking the opportunity to snuff out the Borg. (Indeed -- had Picard followed through, there never would have been the need to make the 11th Trek film, "First Contact"!)
In Fred Saberhagen's "Berserker" series, humanity (and a few other races of the galaxy) are faced with extermination from what are dubbed the "Berserkers" -- self-replicating machines that are programmed to destroy all life. In all the "Berserker" stories I read, there was precious little vacillation over whether humanity (and the Milky Way's other sentient species) should attempt to destroy the killing machines. I mean, gee, let's see -- the machines are trying to completely annihilate us after all!
In [my] oft-mentioned Heinlein Starship Troopers, humanity likewise has little qualms about cleaning out a race of spider-like intelligent insects that are trying to destroy any and all humans they encounter. Indeed, although the invasion ends up being a disaster, the spiders' home planet was invaded by humans at one point; the only reason it wasn't utterly blown away was that the military wanted to rescue the untold numbers of human prisoners first.
Survival is the most basic of human traits. Faced with continued life, or ultimate death by an intractible enemy, which would humans choose? For me, the answer is simple: life. As we might say here in America, "the Constitution is not a suicide pact." That is, if we are faced with a major threat to our existence, do we deal with the threat with all means at our disposal, or do we fall -- constrained by the very rules which we ourselves established?
can you point to a source for a detailed backstory for the current BSG series?
Posted by: steamboat willy at November 4, 2006 01:27 PMAlso, think of Ender's Game where Ender Wiggin is forced to exterminate the Buggers in order to save humanity. At the time, no one really questions this move. Even Ender, who is very sorrowful that he committed xenocide, concedes that at the time there wasn't much choice. He spends the rest of his life somewhat atoning for this act, but at the same time he never questions whether it was necessary or not.
However, after a generation or two of being a hero, Ender becomes a villain in the culture's eyes - in all the sequels Ender is considered "the Xenocide" and becomes a sort of historical bogeyman. An interesting comment on how necessary but regretful actions can be heroic one decade, and evil the next.
Posted by: Ivan Wolfe at November 4, 2006 05:42 PMI haven't read Enders Game, Ivan, though I've heard nothing but good things about it. I'll definitely have to pick it up now!
Posted by: Hube at November 4, 2006 06:05 PMHube -
oops. I just gave away the "trick" ending (not really, but sort of). Hope I haven't ruined it for you.
Actually, the one thing about the Ender's Game book is that it ends - and then it keeps on going for several chapters. Though it's in the sequels like Speaker for the Dead where you really start seeing the hero Ender vilified as a the evil Xenocide.
Ender's game is military sci-fi (as is the parallel "Shadow" series that follows the career of Ender's assistant Bean after the events of the book), but the last few chapters of EG and the entirety of the Sequels Proper are more akin to metaphysical speculation on the nature of the universe. Some people find that transition jarring.
Fans of BSG shouldn't, since in both incarnations it's a combination of both military and metaphysical sci-fi.
Posted by: Ivan Wolfe at November 5, 2006 05:01 PMYou touched on my major complaint about the series. Stories seem to be driven by the need to make a "point" instead of driven by the circumstances the characters find themselves in.
Posted by: Terrahawk at November 6, 2006 07:15 AM"In [my] oft-mentioned Heinlein Starship Troopers, humanity likewise has little qualms about cleaning out a race..."
Eh, quite right.
But of course Starship Troopers is invariably referred-to as a depicting a fascist future society.
Which of course provoked its equally-famous mirror-image novel - Joe Haldemans Forever War, which illustrated the dangers of pursuing war at any cost (in doing so you are so corrupted by the very nature of your tactics, you might as well have been defeated in the first place.)
Which in a roundabout way refers to the current War On Terror. Oh, America might win it, after years and years of conflict and dollars spent (even now the nation has spent enough to have got a permanent settlement on the Moon and Mars, even using NASA's hefty budgets) but in doing so civil liberties will have been compromised, freedom of expression abandoned and the nations reputation dragged through the dirt to the point it might as well have declared itself an Islamic State in any case.
The art of conflict is to win, but not be compromised to such a degree that it wasn't worth winning in any case.
Posted by: Richard England at November 24, 2006 04:18 PMRichard: I've long had debates about the novel Starship Troopers, and IMO it should be in NO WAY compared to the movie which did indeed have fascist overtones. The novel? Hardly.
First, you neatly truncated my sentence about Troopers. The second part of my sentence is "... of spider-like intelligent insects that are trying to destroy any and all humans they encounter. That makes all the difference. Your selective quotation proves you're being a bit disingenuous. In Troopers, humanity had all of the rights Western societies enjoy now, even more. The only restriction was on voting -- you had to be in the military or a veteran. That restriction question was dealt with in the novel by Col. DuBois, who rightly indicated that there have always been restrictions on the franchise in history, and [rightly] noted how silly it was in the 20th century that a 40 year moron could vote yet a genius 12 year old could not. The military did not "go looking" for a war in Troopers as did the military in Forever War. You could possibly hypothesize that humans didn't "give the Bugs a chance" in Troopers, but that's all it would be -- a hypothesis. It's pretty clearly established that the Bugs were a severe threat to humans, unlike the Taurans in Forever War which the military had automoatically presumed were responsible for several missing human ships.
but in doing so civil liberties will have been compromised, freedom of expression abandoned and the nations reputation dragged through the dirt to the point it might as well have declared itself an Islamic State in any case.
Poppycock. Civil liberties have always been curtailed in time of war, but said liberties have hardly been touched today if compared to past conflicts. Your comment about freedom of expression being abandoned is just so preposterous it's not even worth replying to. As is the last comment. And BTW, it is the Iraq War which has sullied the US's reputation, not the general War on Terror, although as long as a conservative Republican was in the White House it would never satisfy the [laughingly] supposedly "enlightened" Euros, among others, anyway.
You, like way too many others, offer way too much hyperbole and way too little in the way of solutions.
Posted by: Hube at November 24, 2006 04:44 PM