August 15, 2005

Cindy Sheehan = Rosa Parks?

Xrlq notes that Court TV fixture Rikki Klieman said that grieving mother and new Crawford, TX squatter Cindy Sheehan could be "the next Rosa Parks."

Say whaaaat?

UPDATE: La Shawn Barber says "Lay off Cindy Sheehan."

Posted by Rhodey at August 15, 2005 10:06 AM | TrackBack

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Next Rosa Parks? Absurd. Amusing because she makes certain conservative ideologues show their true despicable colors? Surely.

Also amusing because a classic stereotypical Red State hick turned his shotgun on them. Good ol' Red State hospitality!

Posted by: dan at August 15, 2005 12:31 PM

Certainly, certain liberal ideologues haven't latched on to her to show their true dispicable colors, have they dan?

Oh, they have? Sorry ....

Posted by: Hube at August 15, 2005 12:39 PM

I don't know, actually. Is it exploitation if Sheehan is pointed to further a cause? Or is that just the way it is on both sides? Certainly it would be exploitation if someone put her up to it. And I think it's sick to think anyone did.

Consider: Are you offended whenever Bush (at one of the scripted events) has one of those touching moments where someone says they lost a friend or family member in Iraq and that they're proud of the sacrifice they made? I'd sure have to doubt it...

Posted by: dan at August 15, 2005 12:51 PM

dan: Have you asked -- what made Sheehan change her opinion (at least what she said about him) of Bush? Why is she ranting about things irrelevant to her son's death and Iraq, like "get Israel out of 'Palestine,'" and that she considers Lynne Stewart her "Atticus Finch"?? She also claims her son was "tricked" into enlisting, but later the 24 yr. old Casey then re-enlisted??

You may think it "sick" all you wish that someone put her up to this (some of this), but surely you don't believe that she hasn't been contacted by various fringe lefty groups, do you?

And yes, I roll my eyes quite frequently at the president, FWIW.

Posted by: Hube at August 15, 2005 01:13 PM

No, I don't think liberal groups haven't been in touch with her. Just like I think Bush's handlers intentionally solicit military families to say supportive things.

That "first-hand account" you linked to at Powerline is from FrontPage. That's all I can really say about that. David Horowitz makes Ann Coulter look like a respectable human being. Have you checked out Media Matters, which mapped out how the totally discredited tales about Sheehan reached the MSM.

Posted by: dan at August 15, 2005 01:50 PM

Have you asked -- what made Sheehan change her opinion (at least what she said about him) of Bush?

First off, she doesn't seem to have "changed her story" as conservatives are scrambling ot claim. But OK, go ahead and say she totally did a massive, unapologetic 180. So what??

Americans as a whole have changed their views on Iraq's not going very well! Unlike the neocons, most of us are willing to change our minds when circumstances change, for better OR worse. You were against the war. If you said you're now in favor of it based on what's happened since 2003, would I ridicule you? No.

So answer me this: When Bush's approval rating on Iraq has sunk by nearly 15 points nationwide, why is it unthinkable that Sheehan -- who has been affected just a teensy bit more than your average American -- would have changed her mind?

Posted by: dan at August 15, 2005 02:02 PM

I didn't say "first hand," did I, dan? Haven't changed much, I see. Horowitz's site's account is "not respectable," but David Brock's (a pathological liar) site's is. Y'see, I could have said the same about Brock's account -- that it isn't even worth responding to -- but that's the easy way out of a discussion, ain't it? What a hoot. (BTW, Howard Dean must then make Horowitz seem respectable. And guess who's the chairman of a national party?)

I read it, and the conclusion doesn't change a thing. Yes, she may have been against the war already, but her (positive) comments about Bush are a fact (and not out of context -- MM ignores the "context" of the comments 'I now know [Bush is] sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis, 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'), and now she's taken an opposite tack, and more.

You're free to believe whatever about Bush's handlers. At least I'm not saying "I think it's sick to suggest such," as you did previously. You can say there's plenty of track record to believe that about Bush. True. As if there isn't plenty of that on the Left, as well! "Sick" indeed!

Posted by: Hube at August 15, 2005 02:16 PM

I've already conceded "her story" is somewhat consistent -- apparently already against the war -- but her attitude towards Bush has done a 180, yes. The fact that many more are now against the war does NOT equate to the far-left ramblings that Sheehan is now espousing anyway, dan. I'd bet those who've changed their minds fairly recently are tired of the seeming endless terror attacks in Iraq, and the seeming difficulty of setting up a stable gov. But Americans are always short-term, dan, and even Bill Maher complimented Bush on taking a long view on Iraq! (Just that he would've done most of it differently, of course.)

Posted by: Hube at August 15, 2005 02:22 PM

I mean, if Sheehan really didn't believe what she said (positive) about Bush, why say 'em? OK, maybe she was just beling nice. Fine. But MM's account doesn't note that her husband said "We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," nor that most of her other relatives don't like what she's doing, nor that her activism has led to her and her husband separating. See here.

Posted by: Hube at August 15, 2005 02:35 PM

I didn't say "first hand," did I, dan? Haven't changed much, I see.

I didn't say you said it. Powerline calls it a "first-hand account" in the link you cite.

If you think the bigoted David Horowitz and the "lying" David Brock have a similar track record, we'll just agree to disagree. But I suppose you're right that this doesn't necessarily make this Front Page story wrong. So I take that back.

As for the "I think it's sick..." statements, maybe we misunderstood each other. I do think it's sick -- or at least really cynical -- to believe that some lefty group put her up to this completely. Similarly, I do NOT think Bush's handlers somehow brainwash town meeting people or that they are not Bush supporters already. They just use them. Perhaps that is clearer.

As you concede, her position on Iraq has been fairly consistent. So maybe the "answer" about Sheehan's views on Bush personally are simpler than politics. Maybe it's as simple as a poor woman who's gone a little off the deep end because of grief. Couldn't it just be that?

Posted by: dan at August 15, 2005 03:08 PM

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